Custom BIONICLE Wiki:Board Meeting/Archive B/Session 9

Log of BMS9B 00:25 Fezmaster      I officially commence this meeting between the members of the Board of Trustees. Anything after this point will be recorded. 00:26 Fezmaster      Now then, we have a lot to discuss. 00:26 Fezmaster      Jman, seeing as you are under time constraints, I recommend you take to the floor first, unless anyone else has something to add first. 00:27 Jmanliciousness Right, okay, so, I believe that we need to change the community template and make it less...large. Make it smaller and more compact. 00:27 Fezmaster      Go on. 00:28 Jmanliciousness Aswell as that minor thing, I think that we also should change the site's design to give it a 2001 feel, like using MNOG images around the place, change the color scheme, background, wordmark,etc. 00:28 Fezmaster      I see. 00:28 Jmanliciousness While retaining Brutaka as the mascot, of course. 00:31 Fezmaster      Sounds like an interesting idea to me. 00:31 Todunga        I agree to that. 00:31 Todunga        If my internet allowed it. :c 00:31 Todunga        Which it does not. :c 00:31 Todunga        Can I ask a few things now? 00:31 Fezmaster      Okay. 00:32 Fezmaster      Yes. 00:32 Todunga        Re-asking for the record: Do we want have 21bub21's planned wiki revamp? Do you want to delete the unused CBW Twitter? Do we want to use the skin testing wiki again? 00:32 Shadowmaster   No for the first, yes for the second, and yes for the third. 00:32 Jmanliciousness Yes to all three. 00:32 Jmanliciousness Wait. 00:32 Jmanliciousness No to the first. 00:32 Jmanliciousness Yes to the rest. 00:32 Fezmaster      No to the first and yes to the latter two. 00:32 Todunga        Okay. 00:32 Fezmaster      Majority vote. 4 - 0. 00:33 Fezmaster      Motion passed. 00:33 Todunga        Motions passed where appropriated. 00:33 Fezmaster      Now then. 00:33 Fezmaster      I believe we need to discuss the whole idea of revamping the layout in a bit more detail. 00:33 Fezmaster      Specifically, apart from the Skin Testing Wiki, how do we plan to go about this revamp? 00:34 Todunga        What do you mean by that? 00:35 Fezmaster      How do we intend to present the idea to the community? How do we intend to make use of bub's banner? 00:35 Jmanliciousness Personally, I don't really care for the banner, I think it's out of place. 00:36 Fezmaster      We can have it changed if we so please. 00:36 Fezmaster      But for the moment, let me put my two questions on hold. 00:36 Fezmaster      Bub's banner. 00:36 Fezmaster      We need to discuss it. 00:37 Fezmaster      I may've taken a somewhat brash action by accepting his offer without consulting the Board or the staff. You all know my reasons why. But does anyone have any comment on the matter? 00:37 Shadowmaster   I believe we need to decide on a skin before we get him to make a banner. 00:38 Shadowmaster   So it will look appropriate. 00:38 Fezmaster      Agreed. 00:38 Shadowmaster   So I think his banner should be put on hold for now. 00:38 Todunga        I agree about the banner stuff 00:38 Shadowmaster   I think we need to pitch forth ideas on the wiki's skin. 00:38 Todunga        I'm not really sure if I even want a 2001 styled CBW :\ 00:39 Shadowmaster   Well. 00:39 Shadowmaster   We need to put forth some ideas. 00:39 Todunga        Brutaka style. 00:39 Shadowmaster   Well. 00:39 Shadowmaster   Just two images of Brutaka is a bit boring to look at, don't you think? 00:40 Shadowmaster   Perhaps we should give Brutaka a background. 00:40 Todunga        I don't think it is if we make it look interesting. 00:40 Fezmaster      I agree with this. 00:40 Todunga        I am against changing the style too far from what it is now. 00:40 Shadowmaster   Well. 00:41 Jmanliciousness I was thinking something like this: http://biosector01.com/wiki/index.php?title=Main_Page&useskin=mnolg 00:42 Shadowmaster   My idea is that we scrap Ganon, which has been gone over already, we put the winner of the Brutaka art contest on the right, and we give the images some kind of background. 00:42 Todunga        I like the idea of Brutaka and Axonn. 00:42 Todunga        With the same sort of style of CBW, with the edits made so far on the skin testing wiki with a bit more. 00:42 Shadowmaster   I think it's straying a bit too far. 00:42 Shadowmaster   Brutaka is one thing. 00:43 Shadowmaster   And I can understand Axonn. 00:43 Fezmaster      Also, the whole co-mascot thing Jman has brought up in the Matoran Council Chamber is something I'd like to bring up later. 00:43 Shadowmaster   But Axonn really doesn't represent CBW that much. 00:43 Shadowmaster   Not like Brutaka does. 00:43 Shadowmaster   He doesn't have the symbolism. 00:43 Fezmaster      I have to agree with this. 00:43 Todunga        Well even then, I'd rather have something like that than the Toa Mata. 00:43 Shadowmaster   The Toa Mata weren't what I had in mind. 00:43 Todunga        I don't want a 2001 anything on CBW's skin. 00:44 Shadowmaster   Well, we need to agree on something. 00:44 Todunga        You can agree 3-1 00:44 Shadowmaster   If artwork of Brutaka isn't going to be in the skin, then we'll have to scrap the Brutaka artwork contest. 00:44 Fezmaster      The co-mascot thing is an issue to be brought up, but let's tackle one thing at a time first. 00:44 Shadowmaster   Or rework the prizes. 00:45 Fezmaster      I have a suggestion whereby we can reach a compromise. 00:45 Todunga        I thought it could be for the banner 00:45 Shadowmaster   Hm... 00:45 Shadowmaster   Let's hear CB out. 00:46 Fezmaster      My suggestion is that we can have the whole co-mascot idea however that resolves itself (like I said, we'll discuss it later), but I say we get rid of the set Brutaka image and instead replace it with the Artwork contest winner, then have whatever becomes the co-mascot take Ganon's place. 00:47 Fezmaster      Because really, we have that set Brutaka image everywhere. I doubt it would hurt much to remove it from the skin to replace with an art form of Brutaka. 00:47 Fezmaster      Thoughts? 00:47 Shadowmaster   I'm fine with this. 00:47 Todunga        Nay. I like it the way it is. 00:47 Jmanliciousness ...eh... 00:47 Shadowmaster   I say Aye. 00:48 Jmanliciousness Nay. 00:48 Fezmaster      Aye. 00:48 Shadowmaster   So we have a tie. 00:48 Fezmaster      Curses. 00:48 Shadowmaster   Terms will have to be reconsidered. 00:48 Fezmaster      This is awkward. 00:48 Todunga        That's why we need odd numbers. 00:48 Shadowmaster   Why not give us your reasoning? 00:49 Todunga        I personally don't see any need to remove the set Brutaka from anywhere. I like it the way it is and I think a co-host can go /with/ the set Brutaka, and the art contest can get the banner. 00:49 Fezmaster      Like I said, it's meant to be a compromise. It may not be the best idea, but at least it ensures the co-mascot and the Brutaka Artwork Contest can be fulfilled accordingly without complication or contradiction. 00:50 Jmanliciousness I don't really see any of the entries besides Sidd's being there. They don't really have a "background" look, they look more like what they are, entries into an art contest. Now, I have no problem in using the entries around the wiki and social networking sites, but having them as the background just, it wouldn't really look good, in my opinion. 00:50 Shadowmaster   Well, I believe the agreement was that they'd be in the background from the beginning. 00:50 Shadowmaster   This was not contested until now. 00:51 Fezmaster      He has a point. But these all good reasons for and against, IMO. 00:51 Jmanliciousness Well yes. 00:51 Shadowmaster   I think that the set Brutaka is overused, like CB said. 00:51 Jmanliciousness But, they weren't meant to replace the set. 00:51 Todunga        I like the amount Brutaka is used 00:51 Jmanliciousness Set Brutaka I think should remain considering that is, well, Brutaka. 00:51 Fezmaster      May I suggest an alternative? 00:52 Fezmaster      Again. 00:52 Shadowmaster   Go ahead. 00:52 Fezmaster      Wait, I'll let SM say what he was going to say first. 00:52 Shadowmaster   No, continue. 00:52 Fezmaster      Alright. 00:54 Fezmaster      I say we wait until we get the official winning entry to the Artwork Contest, then decide. The contest hasn't even finished, so we are jumping the gun a bit. If the entry does not satisfy the Board's tastes, then we'll do what TDG and relegate it to the banner. If not, we can use it for the background skin. 00:54 Fezmaster      Besides, we're at a tie anyway. We can't do much anyway. 00:54 Fezmaster      May as well wait until the contest is over before bringing this up again. 00:54 Fezmaster      Thoughts? 00:54 Todunga        I agree to waiting until the contest is up before deciding anything about it. 00:55 Jmanliciousness Same. 00:55 Fezmaster      SM? 00:55 Shadowmaster   Hm. 00:55 Shadowmaster   I agree. 00:56 Shadowmaster   But I think one of our priorities must be to promote this contest. 00:56 Jmanliciousness We have. It's clear that people just don't want to enter for whatever reason. 00:57 Jmanliciousness I mean, the contest has been around since like August. 00:57 Jmanliciousness Or September. 00:57 Fezmaster      In that case, motion semi-passed. The Board shall wait until the conclusion of the Art Contest before taking any immediate action. 00:57 Fezmaster      Now, we must go back to an issue earlier we did not resolve. 00:57 Fezmaster      Which was the layout of the revamp. 00:58 Todunga        What Jman said, or the 2001 thing? 00:58 Todunga        About the section box, that is. 00:58 Fezmaster      Yes. 00:58 Fezmaster      Also, what is your definition of too far, out of interest? If we intend to change anything at all, I'd like to know our agreed limitations. 00:59 Todunga        Well 00:59 Todunga        A change in the colour scheme or background does not appeal to me in the slightest. The only change I'm good with is like a bg change to not-Ganon and a banner, and small things like that. 01:00 Shadowmaster   I just think our current background is not much to look at. 01:00 Shadowmaster   I mean. 01:00 Shadowmaster   I understand that users are supposed to look at the content of the wiki. 01:00 Shadowmaster   And not the skin. 01:00 Jmanliciousness I think it's just...old at this point. 01:00 Shadowmaster   But just two sets and a white background doesn't really attract attention to the wiki. 01:01 Shadowmaster   The idea I think visitors should get when they look at the wiki is "Man, this is looking good." 01:01 Shadowmaster   I feel as if it's more like, "Oh, these things exist." 01:01 Jmanliciousness 21:59 Shadowmaster But just two sets and a white background doesn't really attract attention to the wiki. 01:01 Jmanliciousness This is why I wanted to redo the background to something else. 01:02 Shadowmaster   I think it's all agreed that Brutaka will stay in some way or form. 01:02 Jmanliciousness Well yeah, definitely. 01:02 Shadowmaster   I also think that we can agree that only one Brutaka will appear on the banner, no? 01:02 Shadowmaster    Not the banner. 01:02 Shadowmaster   The background/skin. 01:03 Shadowmaster   I failed that. 01:03 Jmanliciousness Yes. 01:03 Shadowmaster   I think two Brutakas isn't really showcasing what the wiki is capable of. 01:03 Shadowmaster   So one Brutaka will stay. 01:04 Shadowmaster   In his rightful place on the left side. 01:04 Jmanliciousness Yes. 01:04 Shadowmaster   I think I'm leading the conversation to this. 01:04 Shadowmaster   So Fezmaster, what was your idea for the co-mascot? 01:05 Fezmaster      Back 01:05 Fezmaster      Hmmm. 01:05 Fezmaster      I kinda agree with Echo's idea. 01:05 Fezmaster      The one he proposed on the co-mascot talk page. 01:05 Todunga        Which is? 01:06 Fezmaster      The whole reason we're taking down Ganon is because we don't want to express favouritism, so just putting somebody else's MOC contradicts our motion and just renders it irrelevant. 01:06 Jmanliciousness Indeed. 01:06 Fezmaster      Echo's idea was essentially..... 01:08 Fezmaster      Just trying to find it. XD 01:09 Fezmaster      Just a sec.... 01:09 Fezmaster      Okay. 01:10 Fezmaster      Essentially it was use a character who has no official set form the because wiki is based on the idea of characters without official appearances in the canon, so what better character than one with an image and story but no set? Also, being a drawing, it would show that this place is more than just a showcase for MOCs, but art and other mediums as well. 01:11 Todunga        I agree to that. 01:11 Fezmaster      In this case, he proposed using Toa Nikila. 01:12 Fezmaster      Jmanliciousness, I believe, backed the idea. 01:12 Todunga        I agree to that tooo. 01:12 Fezmaster      You agree to Toa Nikila? 01:13 Todunga        Yes, in place of Ganon. 01:13 Jmanliciousness Yeah. 01:13 Jmanliciousness If no Axonn, Nikila is the next best thing, IMO. 01:13 Todunga        Or maybe Brutaka in the background, so we have an epic MOC and an epic drawing. 01:13 Todunga        *maybe in place of Brutaka 01:14 Fezmaster      Hmmmm. 01:14 Fezmaster      Interesting. 01:15 Fezmaster      But let's look at our options for canon characters who are in "art" form. 01:15 Fezmaster      Nikila/ 01:15 Fezmaster      Kirbold. 01:16 Fezmaster      I can't think of anyone else. 01:17 Todunga        I'm fine with Nikila replacing Brutaka and maybe antoher MOC replacing Ganon, cause he's been there for so long. 01:18 Jmanliciousness I don't think we should have a MOC there. 01:18 Fezmaster      Agreed. 01:18 Todunga        So Nikila and ...? 01:18 Jmanliciousness Brutaka. 01:18 Fezmaster      I dunno why, but I just suddenly thought Toa Krakua would look good in the background. 01:18 Jmanliciousness Derp. 01:19 Todunga        No 01:19 Todunga         He's not from CBW 01:19 Todunga        So that's like a pizza parlour using pasta to get customers. 01:19 Fezmaster      Neither is Nikila. 01:19 Todunga        ! 01:19 Todunga        Then I object to that too. 01:20 Todunga        If we are going to use custom things, we shoulld at least use artwork of CBW's community. 01:20 Fezmaster      Then let us look at our options. 01:21 Shadowmaster   Hm. 01:21 Fezmaster      SM, what do you have to say? 01:21 Shadowmaster   I'd agree, but how would we decide what artwork to use? 01:21 Todunga        A community vote. 01:22 Todunga        And nomination. 01:22 Todunga        Yes/no? 01:23 Shadowmaster   I suppose. 01:23 Fezmaster      Let's look at the Featured Image gallery and see if we have any good art. 01:24 Fezmaster      Let's see.... 01:25 Shadowmaster   However... 01:25 Shadowmaster   I believe this goes back to the same issue we had with using MOCs. 01:26 Jmanliciousness Yeah. 01:26 Todunga        We could nominate that image to the community 01:26 Fezmaster      Or this one as an alternative: 01:26 Jmanliciousness I dunno, I just think we should use official characters. 01:26 Fezmaster      Oh for goodness.... 01:27 Fezmaster      You guys'll have to continue without me. 01:27 Fezmaster      I have to walk my dog. 01:27 Shadowmaster   Hm. 01:27 Fezmaster      Unless this meeting's still occurring when I get back. 01:27 Fezmaster      Cheerio! 01:27 Todunga        Maybe we have to vote on whethe we use custom or canon cahracters. 01:27 *** Fezmaster quit (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client) 01:27 Shadowmaster   I think it would be best for us to hold off on deciding the mascot now. 01:27 Shadowmaster   I think it's obvious that we won't be able to reach an agreement in the time we have left. 01:27 Todunga        Fine. 01:28 Todunga        Anything else to bring up? 01:28 Shadowmaster   I think we should leave it to the users to think of co-mascot ideas. 01:28 Todunga        We really can't do much with only half. 01:28 Shadowmaster   I did have things to bring up, but like you said. 01:29 Jmanliciousness We'll have to continue on next meeting, as I have to go to bed in like a few minutes. 01:30 Todunga        Okay. 01:30 Shadowmaster   Alright. 01:30 Todunga        I officially call this meeting to a close.

20:30 Fezmaster      This Board meeting is officially re-opened, following the adjournment of the discussion previously. For the record, Board member Jareroden is now present from here on in. 20:30 Jareroden      Indeed. 20:31 Fezmaster      Now, who would like to take the floor first? 20:31 Fezmaster      SM? 20:32 Shadowmaster   One second. 20:32 Fezmaster      I believe you had a few points you wished to raise, before we return to a major topic that was part of the last discussion, which resulted in a tie when it came to the votes. 20:33 Shadowmaster   Well. 20:33 Shadowmaster   Remember that main page team from a while ago? 20:33 Fezmaster      The one that was voted for in the Matoran Council Chamber? 20:34 Shadowmaster   Yes. 20:34 Shadowmaster   I think we need to do something about that. 20:34 Fezmaster      I agree. 20:34 Jareroden      Yes. 20:35 Jareroden      Like make them do their jobs. 20:35 Fezmaster      The original purpose of the team was to update the Main Page on a regular basis so the staff wouldn't have to. So far, that hasn't worked so well. 20:35 Fezmaster      What do you propose we do? 20:36 Shadowmaster   Well, in my eyes, we have three options. 20:36 Shadowmaster   We make the current team do their jobs. 20:36 Shadowmaster   We remove the team entirely. 20:36 Todunga        11:35 Jareroden Like make them do their jobs. 20:36 Shadowmaster   Or we pick new members. 20:36 Todunga        I agree to this. 20:36 Jmanliciousness 17:36 Shadowmaster We remove the team entirely. 20:36 Todunga        No one has told them to do anything. 20:36 Jmanliciousness I like this one. 20:36 Jmanliciousness 17:36 Shadowmaster We remove the team entirely. 20:36 Todunga        We just said "you're on the team vague details". 20:36 Jareroden      I say we might as well remove them. 20:36 Todunga        I say we tell them, and if they don't do anything, remove the team. 20:37 Jareroden      The admins have mainly been the ones updating the main page except maybe once. 20:37 Shadowmaster   I agree with TDG. 20:37 Jareroden      So the team isn't serving any purpose. 20:37 Fezmaster      I agree with TDG. 20:38 Shadowmaster   I also had another idea, that is, if the main page team is removed. 20:38 Shadowmaster   Rollbacks could do it. 20:38 Fezmaster      Go on. 20:38 Fezmaster      Well, we're not exactly short of Rollbacks. 20:38 Fezmaster      But can I explore one avenue first? 20:39 Jareroden      Yes. 20:40 Fezmaster      If we decided to replace the current team with new members, who would be eligible? 20:40 Fezmaster      Who would be viable options? 20:40 Todunga        I say we should do what i said before before we think of new members for the team. 20:40 Jareroden      Agreed. 20:40 Fezmaster      I mean, all the people on the least team seemed like perfect choices, but not much was done. 20:40 Fezmaster      Alright... 20:41 Fezmaster      Seeing as TDG's suggestion seems to be the most popular amongst us, say 'aye' if you feel we should tell them, and if they don't do anything, remove the team. 20:42 Shadowmaster   Aye. 20:42 Fezmaster      Aye. 20:42 Todunga        Aye/ 20:43 Jareroden      Aye. 20:43 Fezmaster      Jman? 20:43 Jmanliciousness Aye 20:43 Fezmaster      Alright. 20:43 Fezmaster      5 - 0. Motion passed. 20:43 Fezmaster      Now then... 20:44 Fezmaster      Is there anything else we need to address that wasn't in the earlier discussion? 20:44 Fezmaster      I'd like to move back to the topic where we officially tied over. 20:44 Shadowmaster   Not that I can think of. I had some things, but I can't think of them right now. 20:44 Fezmaster      Alright. 20:45 Fezmaster      Now, we were equally split over the decision about revamping the Main Page, the co-mascot and the outcome of the Brutaka Art Contest. 20:45 Fezmaster      Seeing as we have uneven numbers now, this can rectified through J97's say. 20:45 Shadowmaster   I think that, again, we have many options. 20:46 Shadowmaster   I think the one thing we can agree on is that one Brutaka will appear, in some form, in the background. 20:47 Fezmaster      Yes. 20:47 Shadowmaster   I think that form of Brutaka can be more easily decided after we see the winner of the contest. 20:47 Jareroden      Obviously. 20:47 Jareroden      Though I think that an image of set form Brutaka would be the best for the background. 20:47 Shadowmaster   I think so as well. 20:48 Fezmaster      Alright. 20:48 Fezmaster      This clears one problem up, which means the Brutaka art will instead be included in bub's banner. 20:48 Fezmaster      Now then, going through this matter in spades, what about the co-mascot thing? 20:49 Jareroden      The matter of the banner is one thing I wanted to talk about, but not here. 20:49 Fezmaster      We agreed no MOC should be included in the background, but we were torn over the idea of using art for similar reasons for not having MOCs. 20:50 Fezmaster      Even though it is a better option than using a MOC. 20:50 Fezmaster      To fill you in, J97... 20:50 Todunga        Wait 20:50 Todunga        What 20:50 Todunga        I thought we agree not to have bubs banner at all. 20:51 Fezmaster      Did we? 20:51 Fezmaster      I don't remember. 20:51 Fezmaster      We agreed not to let him REVAMP the wiki. 20:51 Fezmaster      We didn't say he couldn't make a banner. 20:51 Jareroden      I'm personally against its use 20:51 Jareroden      But whatever. 20:51 Fezmaster      At least I think. 20:51 Fezmaster      We'll address the banner later. 20:52 Fezmaster      But for now... 20:53 Fezmaster      As you know, Jman made a topic about having a co-mascot in in the MCC. We decided no MOC should be there. On the subject of including artwork (such as Toa Nikila), we split up because over the possibility that using a fan-made art piece from a wiki user would show favouritism. 20:54 Fezmaster      I still say that art is a good option. 20:54 Jareroden      I still think Josh's idea for Axonn was good. 20:55 Todunga        I think Axonn is a good idea. Although I think we should hold a bi-monthly competition about what goes on there. Art or MOCs alike. 20:55 Fezmaster      But I don't see why Axonn is such a good candidate. I don't see what he represents in the wiki. 20:55 Shadowmaster   Same. 20:55 Shadowmaster   Well. 20:55 Jareroden      The thing is. 20:55 Jareroden      He serves as a good opposite to Brutaka on the skin 20:56 Shadowmaster   The problem with a bi-monthly competition is that we'd have to adjust the skin accordingly. The MOC that wins might not fit well and the wiki may end up looking bad. 20:56 Jareroden      Yes 20:56 Todunga        We don't have to do that. 20:56 Todunga        Ganon does not suit the skin, but he's still there. 20:56 Todunga        Nilika won't suit the skin, and some wanted her there. 20:57 Shadowmaster   I think we need to think of a skin as well. 20:57 Todunga        I think we should keep Brutaka on one side and keep the skin as it is. 20:57 Shadowmaster   Since this is an issue linked with both the banner and the co-mascot. 21:01 Fezmaster      Okay. 21:01 Fezmaster      Let's take a step back and address this issue. 21:01 Fezmaster      It is a big one. 21:02 Fezmaster      SM? 21:03 Fezmaster      Go on. 21:03 Shadowmaster   Alright. 21:05 Jmanliciousness O_O 21:06 Fezmaster      SM? 21:06 Shadowmaster   Okay. 21:07 Shadowmaster   Now, first I think we must decide what our wiki background/skin should be. 21:07 Shadowmaster   We've brought up many different things. 21:07 Shadowmaster   Jman thinks it should be an '01-related background. 21:07 Shadowmaster   TDG thinks it should be Brutaka and a white background. 21:07 Shadowmaster   I think there's too many options for this. 21:08 Todunga        After seeing the images, I realised I misunderstood what Jman meant about the '01 style. As long as the skin and theme colours don't change too much, I support the '01 thing. 21:10 Shadowmaster   Do you think it would be best for the community to decide on this? 21:10 Fezmaster      Yeah... 21:10 Todunga        Aye/ 21:10 Jareroden      Yeah. 21:10 Fezmaster      We're pretty divided over this issue. 21:10 Jareroden      Since we all seem pretty split on what to do for this. 21:10 Shadowmaster   I think this is too big a matter for this to be decided over one meeting. 21:10 Fezmaster      If the Board can't properly agree to it, then the community should get a say. 21:10 Fezmaster      Indeed. 21:11 Fezmaster      Alright, all in favour of putting this to the community say 'Aye.' 21:11 Fezmaster      Aye. 21:11 Shadowmaster   Aye. 21:12 Jmanliciousness Aye. 21:12 Jareroden      Aye. 21:12 Todunga        Aye/ 21:13 Fezmaster      5 - 0. Motion passed. 21:14 Fezmaster      Now then.... 21:14 Fezmaster      Anything else? 21:14 Shadowmaster   After the background is decided, I think we can decide better our co-mascot, if we will even have one. 21:15 Jareroden      I want to talk about Bub's banner. 21:15 Fezmaster      Alright. 21:15 Fezmaster      Discuss. 21:15 Jareroden      I don't think we should use it. 21:15 Todunga        I agree. 21:15 Fezmaster      I have told him we can make him change it to match our specifications. 21:16 Shadowmaster   I think it would be easier for us if we made our own banner. 21:16 Todunga        I agree with the firs thing SM said - we should agree on a banner before one is made. 21:16 Jareroden      Yeah 21:18 Shadowmaster   I'd make a banner if my technology was good enough. 21:18 Shadowmaster   Paint has failed me. 21:18 Jareroden      Josh should do it. 21:18 Todunga        I think we should agree on a banner, then get someone to make it. 21:18 Shadowmaster   Yes. 21:18 Jareroden      Yes. 21:18 Todunga        Who can be decided after we know what we want on it. 21:19 Fezmaster      And then once we're happy, we put it to the community. 21:19 Shadowmaster   I think the banner should be decided after, and based on, our background. 21:19 Fezmaster      If bub is willing to redo his banner to match our specifications, would we all be happy? 21:20 Todunga        I think we should decide who does it after we decide what we want on it, personally. 21:20 Jareroden      Yes. 21:20 Shadowmaster   Let's not say anything more to him yet. 21:20 Jareroden      Agreed 21:20 Shadowmaster   I think we should leave this matter alone until our background is voted on. 21:21 Fezmaster      Alright. 21:21 Jareroden      Right 21:23 Todunga        Motion to postpone talk about the banner on CBW until we decide on the content. Aye or nay. 21:23 Jareroden      Aye 21:23 Shadowmaster   Aye. 21:23 Todunga        Aye. 21:23 Fezmaster      Aye. 21:23 Todunga        Jmanliciousness? 21:24 Todunga        Bleh, motion passed. 21:24 Todunga        I believe you were typing something, SM? 21:24 Shadowmaster   I also think more attention needs to be put forth regarding our branched sub-sites. 21:24 Shadowmaster   CBW deviantArt, MOCpages, and tumblr. 21:25 Fezmaster      Perhaps. 21:25 Fezmaster      In what way? 21:26 Shadowmaster   One second. 21:26 Jareroden      I can definitely help with the MOCpages. 21:40 Shadowmaster   The groups don't really link to the actual wiki much. 21:41 Shadowmaster   The only one where the link is prominent and noticeable is the Tumblr one. 21:41 Fezmaster      I see. 21:43 Shadowmaster   On the CBW YT channel, the link to the wiki is fourth. 21:44 Shadowmaster   It should be first. 21:44 Todunga        I agree. 21:44 Fezmaster      Yes. 21:44 Fezmaster      Jmanliciousness, do you think you could address that? 21:46 Jmanliciousness Fixed. 21:46 Jmanliciousness I made it second, as I think WMF should be first. 21:46 Jmanliciousness However, if you want it changed, I can. 21:46 Todunga        CBW should be first. It's is CBW's YouTube, after all. 21:46 Fezmaster      Indeed, but WMF is the greater community. 21:47 Fezmaster      Should we place more emphasis on ourselves or the WMF as a whole? 21:48 Todunga        In that case I think we can leave it then. 21:48 Fezmaster      SM? 21:48 Fezmaster      J97? 21:49 Shadowmaster   I think we can leave it. 21:49 Jareroden      Yes. 21:49 Fezmaster      Alright. 21:49 Fezmaster      Jman, you can leave it. 21:49 Fezmaster      Now, is there anything we haven't addressed? 21:49 Jareroden      Not that I know of 21:49 Shadowmaster    Would it be fine for me to rewrite the policy if another admin reviews my edits? 21:50 Fezmaster      Hmmmmm.... 21:50 Fezmaster      Depends on the level of change, I suppose. 21:50 Jareroden      Sounds alright to me. 21:50 Todunga        Rewording should be fine in that situation, i think. 21:50 Fezmaster      How big do you intend the changes to be? 21:51 Shadowmaster   Well. 21:51 Fezmaster      Depending on the scale, they may need just one staff approval, or the whole staff/Board approval. 21:51 Shadowmaster   First off, I want to change the user rights section to actually talk about users' rights. 21:51 Fezmaster      That sounds fine to me. 21:52 Todunga        Yeah, so long as you're basically rewording it without changing it drastically, I'm fine with it. 21:52 Fezmaster      Also fine if you're ADDING stuff. Not changing it. 21:53 Fezmaster      By adding, I mean elaborating/expanding. 21:53 Todunga        Yep, I agrre to that too. 21:53 Shadowmaster   Also, I think the equality policy needs to be rewritten so users can understand the extent of the power of the BoT. 21:54 Todunga        Yes. Definitely. 21:54 Fezmaster      yES. 21:54 Fezmaster      The section I added in regards to power of the BoT that needs more work. 21:55 Shadowmaster   In fact, I don't mean to suggest that the admins are in power and that this will be making them "greater than" the users, but I think the equality policy could be and merged with the user rights policy. 21:55 Fezmaster      I suppose. 21:55 Todunga        Yep. 21:55 Fezmaster      The whole "Equality" thing could fall under a sub-heading. 21:55 Todunga        Motion to do so? 21:55 Fezmaster      I approve of your changes. I trust your judgement. 21:56 Shadowmaster   Aye. 21:56 Todunga        ^ Aye 21:56 Jareroden      Aye 21:56 Fezmaster      Anyway.... 21:56 Fezmaster      I gotta go in like 5 minutes. 21:56 Fezmaster      So is there anything else we need to say? 21:56 Shadowmaster   I don't think there's anything more that needs to be added for now. 21:56 Shadowmaster   I'll notify the members of the Main Page team. 21:57 Fezmaster      In regards to the revamp, someone should make the topic in the MCC. 21:57 Fezmaster      I can't because I'm going to be really busy. 21:57 Shadowmaster   I'll try to get to it. 21:57 Fezmaster      Alright then. 21:58 Fezmaster      Then by the laws of the Board and the Makuta Convocation, I declare this meeting officially and properly closed. 21:58 Fezmaster      Everything from this point shall be recorded in the archives, and the next meeting shall be held whenever convenient.

Motions

 * Agreed not to accept 21bub12's planned revamp.
 * Agreed to delete the CBW Twitter page.
 * Agreed to begin using the CBW Skin Testing wiki again.
 * Agreed to notify the main page update team members of their position, and remove the team if they do not perform their job.
 * Agreed to put forth the matter of deciding a new wiki background/skin to the community through the Matoran Council Chamber.
 * Agreed to modify the CBW policy.