Custom BIONICLE Wiki:Board Meeting/Archive B/Session 8

Log of BMS8B 01:57	Fezmaster	I officially call this meeting of the elected voices of the Custom BIONICLE Wiki community to order. From here on, everything said shall be recorded and included in the logs for historical references. 01:57	Jareroden	Right 01:57	Fezmaster	Is there anybody who would like to take to the floor first? 01:58	Todunga	Yes. 01:58	Todunga	I'd like to bring up having an official CBW leader. 01:58	Fezmaster	Indeed. 01:58	Todunga	This leader would only take actions set by the BoT, btu would be the leader in other more political places. 01:59	Todunga	Like the Wiki Metru Forums, for example. 01:59	Fezmaster	Yes. 01:59	Todunga	Before I nominate someone, do we all agree with this? 01:59	Fezmaster	This would therefore make the elected leader the official chairman of the Board of Trustees. 01:59	Shadowmaster	I don't really see how this is much different from the system we have at the moment. 01:59	Todunga	Yes, chairman too. 02:00	Fezmaster	This is more or less to simplify communication with the WMF leadership board. 02:00	Todunga	Yes. 02:00	Fezmaster	At the moment, HP and WMF have clear wiki leaders. 02:00	Todunga	This is more of a organisation seat than anything. 02:00	Fezmaster	CBW, for a while it seems, has not. 02:00	Todunga	*an 02:00	Todunga	Are we all in favour of having a leader, that is dictated by the BoT? 02:00	Shadowmaster	I'm not supportive of this. 02:00	Todunga	Except in cases where the BoT is not needed. 02:01	Todunga	2 for, 1 against 02:01	Todunga	Jareroden and Jman? 02:01	Jareroden	I kind of have to agree with SM 02:01	Todunga	2 for, 2 against 02:01	Todunga	Jman? 02:01	Jareroden	I don't see how much different this is than our current system. 02:01	Shadowmaster	I'm thinking wording someone as our official leader is a bit of a violation of the equality policy. 02:01	Fezmaster	The elected leader would be the official leader of CBW on the WMF. However, they are not permitted to go doing whatever they want, and they are not permitted to neglect their duties nor are they allowed to act without the approval of the BoT. 02:01	Shadowmaster	I mean, as I see it, this is just the system we have but they're being called our leader instead of our representative. 02:02	Shadowmaster	However, I will be willing to hear you out even if the vote doesn't pass. 02:02	Fezmaster	In that case, we can change this around. 02:02	Jman	Well, I'm for it and against it. Mainly because on one hand, we'd finally have someone representing CBW in WMF meetings and such, while on the other, the Equality Policy point that SM brought up. 02:02	Jman	So I don't know. 02:03	Todunga	The only leader-advantage this person would have, would be being part of the Wiki Leaders group of WMF. 02:03	Fezmaster	I believe Slice once attempted to ensure that even with the Equality Policy, whereby the policy would stand and the elected individual would serve as a representative and ambassador if you will. 02:03	Todunga	The leader by no means can overrule the BoT or community vote. 02:04	Fezmaster	We could use it in that scenario, whereby the individual is not an official site leader, but is an elected member of the BoT who represents them in WMF leadership and reports back to them on WMF affairs. 02:05	Fezmaster	The main problem is that on WMF, instead of having a representative from each family wiki, we have one from HP, one from the WMF, and six from CBW. 02:05	Shadowmaster	I'm pretty sure we've been over all of this before. 02:06	Fezmaster	The only problem with having a site leader without the limitations of the Board is that therefore means there is no point to the existence of the Board itself, which is why the elected leader cannot do anything major without the approval of the Board. 02:06	Todunga	How about we look at it this way: 02:06	Todunga	We nominate someone from the BoT to sit in on the WMF-leaders meetings. They have no extra power on CBW, nor on WMF, just the allowance to sit in on the meetings and discuss things. 02:07	Fezmaster	If this motion remains in this stalemate, and Jman does not choose a side or Varkanax turn up, then this motion will have to be brought up in the next meeting. 02:07	Shadowmaster	I don't see how this is quite different from the system we have now. 02:07	Shadowmaster	I mean, it's been established that there's a representative. 02:07	Todunga	CB? 02:08	Fezmaster	You are right in the belief that it doesn't change the system of CBW much. 02:08	Shadowmaster	I believe that was established since Slice left. And that was established before this meeting, or else I'd have been able to perfectly attend the meeting you two and PL had. 02:08	Fezmaster	Because it doesn't. 02:08	Shadowmaster	Without being kicked. 02:08	Shadowmaster	So yeah, this was established already, if I'm correct. 02:08	Jman	Yeah 02:09	Todunga	It was only established by Slicer's doing. 02:09	Todunga	That meeting did not make CB the leader, so to speak, or CBW. 02:09	Todunga	*of 02:09	Shadowmaster	You two established it tonight before this meeting. 02:09	Shadowmaster	I'll vote yes on one term. 02:10	Todunga	And this term is? 02:10	Shadowmaster	He's named the representative. 02:10	Shadowmaster	Not the leader. 02:10	Fezmaster	Well, whilst this has been a fact, its never had any real weight or significance. I'm branded as an unofficial leader. This is merely a way of acknowledging me as an official representative on WMF. 02:10	Todunga	That works. 02:10	Fezmaster	Very well. 02:10	Fezmaster	I can agree with that. 02:10	Todunga	3 for, 1 against 02:10	Jareroden	Very well. 02:10	Todunga	For the representative of CBW to exist. 02:10	Todunga	4:0* 02:10	Todunga	Motion passed. 02:11	Fezmaster	As such the motion has been modified to ensure there will be no site leader and no BoT chairman. 02:11	Todunga	I think it's obivious Chicken Bond is that representative, but for the sake of organisation, all in favour of CB being this representative, say aye. 02:11	Jareroden	Aye 02:12	Jman	Aye 02:12	Shadowmaster	Aye. 02:12	Todunga	Aye. 02:12	Todunga	Motion passed. 02:12	Todunga	Now, are we right to continue? I have another issue to bring up. 02:12	Shadowmaster	Yes. 02:12	Jman	Go on. 02:12	Fezmaster	I don't see why not. 02:12	Jareroden	Indeed. 02:13	Fezmaster	Just on a side note, is anybody recording this Board meeting? 02:13	Fezmaster	I'm happy to do it if necessary. 02:13	Shadowmaster	I'm recording it. 02:13	Fezmaster	Alright. 02:13	Fezmaster	TDG, we are all ears. 02:13	Jman	Or eyes 02:14	Todunga	Echo recently suggested that the DevianArt group should be lead by a user who is active and popular on dA, as apposed to the group being lead by Jman and CB. 02:14	Todunga	Should this happen, Echo has suggested ToaAtraks be this leader, seeing as he is very popular in the dA community. 02:15	Todunga	Do we agree that someone who is popular in the dA community should lead the dA group? 02:15	Jareroden	I think we should amend that idea a bit. 02:15	Jareroden	On all the social media sites, we have whoever is most popular/knows the site best to lead the groups. 02:15	Fezmaster	'Popular' is the wrong word to use, in my opinion. 02:16	Jman	I dunno, sometimes "popular" people don't know what they're doing and just post stuff people like. 02:16	Todunga	They are fair points. 02:16	Jman	Like EDICTARTS on YouTube, I doubt he would know what it's like to run the Custom BIONICLE YouTube channel. 02:17	Todunga	I think I agree with Jareroden; That someone should know the site well and be active part of the community. 02:17	Fezmaster	Still, Atraks is a good candidate. He has been a Featured User in the past if I recall correctly. 02:17	Jman	He has. 02:17	Jman	Atraks would be fine. 02:17	Jareroden	Yes 02:17	Shadowmaster	Agreed. 02:17	Todunga	Atraks can be contacted easily and knows dA a bit better than most of us. 02:17	Fezmaster	I approve of him being in charge on the grounds that he was better experience than us in the BIONICLE dA community. 02:18	Todunga	All in favour of what CB just said? 02:18	Fezmaster	*has* 02:18	Jman	Yes. 02:18	Shadowmaster	Aye. 02:18	Todunga	Aye. 02:18	Fezmaster	Aye. (can I even 'aye' my own point?) 02:19	Todunga	Motion passed. 02:19	Jman	(No. Shut up.) 02:19	Todunga	Atraks will be notified of this after the meeting. 02:19	Todunga	Does anyone have any other issues to bring up? 02:19	Jareroden	Nope. 02:19	Fezmaster	SM, I believe you had some policy ideas? 02:20	Shadowmaster	Right. 02:20	Shadowmaster	I'd like to ask of a few policies to be implemented. 02:20	Fezmaster	Alright. 02:20	Shadowmaster	Alright. 02:20	Fezmaster	Fire away. 02:20	Shadowmaster	First off. 02:20	Shadowmaster	I believe that there should be some qualifications for staff positions posted in a policy page. 02:21	Fezmaster	Such as how long a user has been on the wiki, their overall contribution to the community etc.? 02:21	Todunga	I agree with this, as long as the qualification don't impede our current staff members. 02:21	Shadowmaster	Yes, something like that. Like, minimal requirements. 02:21	Shadowmaster	I don't believe so. 02:21	Shadowmaster	I'll be right back. 02:22	Shadowmaster	Alright. 02:22	Shadowmaster	The lowest rollback edit count is 156. 02:23	Todunga	Over 100 edits? 02:23	Fezmaster	I've got to go out and walk the dog. >_> 02:23	Fezmaster	Damnit, I wanted to be here. 02:23	Shadowmaster	Yeah, I'd say over 100. 02:23	Fezmaster	I might be back in time to see the end of the meeting. 02:24	Shadowmaster	Alright, bye. 02:24	Fezmaster	Otherwise I approve of SM's policy ideas. 02:24	Todunga	All agree with over 100 edits being one of the requirements to be rollback? 02:24	Fezmaster	Cheerio! 02:24	Fezmaster	Aye. 02:24	Shadowmaster	Aye. 02:24		*** Fezmaster quit (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client) 02:24	Todunga	Aye 02:24	Todunga	That part of it has been passed. 02:24	Todunga	Anything else you wish to add to the list of requirements for rollback, SM? 02:25	Shadowmaster	Most of those edits should be community contributions, I'd say. 02:25	Shadowmaster	Like, 100 blog comments won't do it. 02:25	Jman	Agreed 02:25	Todunga	85% or more? 02:26	Shadowmaster	Hm... 02:26	Shadowmaster	Yeah. 02:26	Todunga	All agree with ~85% of the edits _not_ being blog comments? 02:27	Shadowmaster	Aye. 02:27	Jareroden	I agree 02:27	Todunga	Aye 02:27	Todunga	That part of it has been passed. 02:27	Todunga	Anything else, SM? 02:27	Shadowmaster	Not for rollback position. 02:27	Todunga	Can i mention something for rollback, then? 02:27	Shadowmaster	Go ahead. 02:28	Todunga	Perhaps the user has to have been here for over a month, or something. 02:28	Shadowmaster	Agreed. 02:28	Todunga	Anyone can jsut join and get a ton of edits from editing one page lots of times. 02:28	Jareroden	Yes 02:28	Shadowmaster	Yeah. 02:28	Todunga	All agree? 02:28	Shadowmaster	Aye. 02:28	Todunga	For one month. 02:28	Todunga	That part of it has been passed. 02:28	Todunga	To recap: 02:29	Todunga	Rollback requirements: 02:29	Todunga	- at least 100 edits, >85% that are _not_ blog comments i.e. community edits 02:29	Todunga	- have been a user for more than one month 02:29	Todunga	All in favour of these requirements say aye 02:30	Shadowmaster	Aye. 02:30	Jareroden	Aye 02:30	Shadowmaster	That's a majority vote anyway. 02:30	Shadowmaster	Motion passed, I suppose. 02:30	Jman	Aye 02:31	Shadowmaster	On a count of 4:0, motion passed. 02:31	Shadowmaster	Are there any more rollback requirements anyone wants to bring forth? 02:31	Todunga	Nope. 02:31	Jareroden	No. 02:32	Todunga	Okay. 02:32	Jman	On. 02:32	Todunga	What are your ideas for requirements for administrator, SM? 02:33	Todunga	Shadowmaster? 02:33	Shadowmaster	I believe it's established on the page that a minimum of 500 edits is required. 02:33	Shadowmaster	Is everyone resolute on that? 02:33	Todunga	I think it has. 02:33	Todunga	Aye, I agree. 02:34	Jareroden	Aye. 02:34	Jman	I would say raise it too like 1000 edits. With 90% being mainspace. 02:34	Jman	Just my two cents though 02:35	Shadowmaster	Hm... 02:35	Todunga	Hm. 02:35	Todunga	That's a little steep, but I think it may be necessary, 02:35	Shadowmaster	I think we could place a number in between there. 02:35	Shadowmaster	Maybe 800? 02:35	Todunga	It will show the difference between the mass editors and dedicated users. 02:35	Todunga	800, yes. That does seem a little more reasonable. 02:35	Jareroden	800, sure 02:35	Todunga	All in favour of an edit count of >800 with >90% being mainspace? 02:36	Jman	800 works. 02:36	Jman	Aye. 02:36	Shadowmaster	Alright. 02:36	Shadowmaster	Motion passed. 02:36	Todunga	Motion passed. 02:36	Shadowmaster	Ninja pass. 02:36	Todunga	-_- 02:36	Todunga	Any other requirements you had in mind, SM? 02:36	Shadowmaster	Yes. 02:37	Shadowmaster	I'd say they should have been on CBW for at least somewhere around 4 to 6 months. 02:37	Todunga	That does sound good. 02:37	Jman	For admin? 02:37	Shadowmaster	Yeah. 02:37	Jman	I'd say probably like 8 months. 02:37	Todunga	At least 6, maybe? 02:37	Todunga	8 ideal 02:37	Shadowmaster	Yeah, I'd say 6, then. 02:38	Todunga	All in favour of a member being present for at least 6 months to gain admin, say aye. 02:38	Shadowmaster	Aye. 02:38	Todunga	Jareroden? 02:38	Todunga	Beh. Motion passed with 3 for anyway. 02:39	Todunga	Any other requirements, SM? 02:39	Shadowmaster	Hm... 02:39	Shadowmaster	Not that I'd think of. 02:39	Todunga	Does anyone else have any ideas for requirements? 02:39	Shadowmaster	I was going to say they have to have used their rollback powers consistently if they were rollback. 02:39	Shadowmaster	But then again, being rollback isn't required. 02:40	Todunga	You should mention that. 02:40	Todunga	That you do not have to be rollback to get administrator status. 02:40	Todunga	To avoid confusion. 02:40	Shadowmaster	Yeah. 02:40	Shadowmaster	We'll make an admin requirements policy page. 02:41	Todunga	So. 02:41	Todunga	All in favour of >800 edits (>90% mainspace) and >6 months for admin? 02:41	Shadowmaster	Aye. 02:42	Shadowmaster	Well. 02:42	Shadowmaster	We've had the majority of votes on those before. 02:42	Shadowmaster	So I'd say motion passed. 02:43	Todunga	Motion passed. 02:43	Jareroden	Yes 02:43	Shadowmaster	Lastly, for bureaucrat position. 02:43	Shadowmaster	Since I think that's something that needs to not be overlooked. 02:43	Todunga	Go on. 02:44	Shadowmaster	I'd say at least 2,000 edits or so. And at least 1 year on CBW. 02:44	Todunga	Hm. 02:44	Todunga	Okay. 02:44	Jman	Okay. 02:45	Todunga	Should we include the need to be administrator or not? 02:45	Todunga	I know it's not necessary. 02:45	Shadowmaster	I'd think we should include it. 02:45	Jareroden	Yeah 02:45	Todunga	But say, and administrator does not need that many edits, etc., because they are already trusted. 02:45	Shadowmaster	I mean, there's several people who are eligible for b'crat position under these terms. 02:46	Todunga	Touche 02:46	Todunga	So you must be administrator to become bureaucrat then? 02:46	Shadowmaster	Yeah. 02:46	Jman	Yeah 02:47	Jareroden	I say so. 02:47	Shadowmaster	Is that all agreed? For 2,000 edits, 1 year on CBW, and necessity to be an administrator? 02:47	Todunga	aye 02:47	Jareroden	Aye 02:47	Todunga	I'd say passed. 02:47	Shadowmaster	Alright. 02:48	Todunga	Are you finished with promotion requirements now, SM? 02:48	Shadowmaster	I believe so. 02:48	Todunga	Does anyone have any other issues they would like to bring forth? 02:49	Shadowmaster	At some point, I would like to revise the current policy, while allowing at least one other admin to review the changes and approve of them. 02:49	Todunga	I think that can be done with the administrators outside of the BoT. 02:49	Todunga	Only using the BoT for large changes. 02:49	Shadowmaster	Yeah. 02:50	Shadowmaster	Since the BoT's meeting times are a bit restricted anyway. 02:50	Todunga	So no one has anything to bring forth? 02:50	Shadowmaster	No. 02:50	Shadowmaster	Well. 02:50	Shadowmaster	One thing. 02:51	Todunga	Yes? 02:51	Shadowmaster	I'd like to see the voting center used a bit more. I mean, yes, the BoT is for making the big decisions. 02:51	Shadowmaster	But the Voting Center has seemed a bit...abandoned. 02:51	Todunga	It does seem to be. 02:51	Jareroden	Indeed it does 02:51	Shadowmaster	I mean, it's not necessarily our responsibility to put up votes there. 02:51	Todunga	I think it's from the laziness of the admins. 02:51	Shadowmaster	Perhaps promoting that it exists would be in order? 02:52	Shadowmaster	As well. 02:52	Shadowmaster	Before we conclude. 02:52	Todunga	Promoting so what exists, exactly? 02:52	Shadowmaster	The Voting Center. 02:52	Todunga	Oh 02:52	Shadowmaster	I don't think the users know of its existence. 02:53	Todunga	Hm. 02:53	Todunga	Yes. 02:53	Shadowmaster	Which I believe leads back to more personal greeting messages. 02:53	Todunga	Linking it more and etc. 02:53	Shadowmaster	Which I'd like to rewrite alongside the policy later. 02:53	Todunga	Okay then. 02:53	Todunga	Nothing else to bring up? 02:53	Todunga	Since you are the b'crat, you can do the honours of closing this. 02:54	Shadowmaster	Wait. 02:54	Shadowmaster	Just one final thing. 02:54	Shadowmaster	I think it's necessary to enforce the Manual of Style a bit more. 02:54	Todunga	Should we be harsher on what is classified as a stub? 02:54	Shadowmaster	Nah. 02:54	Shadowmaster	But I think we should be harsher on those that don't follow the MoS. 02:55	Shadowmaster	For example. 02:55	Shadowmaster	A notification to those that consistently don't follow it. 02:55	Shadowmaster	And a short-term ban if they continue. 02:55	Todunga	I agree. 02:55	Todunga	All in favour of that? 02:55	Todunga	Say aye 02:55	Todunga	Aye. 02:55	Jareroden	Aye 02:56	Shadowmaster	Aye. 02:56	Todunga	Motion passed. 02:56	Shadowmaster	Alright. 02:56	Shadowmaster	That's all I have to say for tonight. Anyone else have something to say? 02:56	Todunga	Negatory. 02:56	Jareroden	I do not 02:56	Shadowmaster	Jman? 02:57	Jman	No. 02:57	Todunga	He's gone. 02:57	Todunga	O_O 02:57	Shadowmaster	Alright. 02:57	Shadowmaster	By the authority of the Mask of Shadows, I officially bring this Convocation to a close.

Motions

 * Agreed to officially appoint Chicken Bond to the representative of the Custom BIONICLE Wiki for matters involving the whole of Wiki Metru.
 * Established requirements for rollback position nomination (>100 edits, >80% being community edits, and to be on CBW for >1 month)
 * Established requirements for administrator position nomination (>800 edits, >90% being community edits, and to be on CBW for >6 months)
 * Established requirements for bureaucrat position nomination (>2,000 edits, and to be on CBW for >1 year)
 * Agreed to enforce the Manual of Style more with a warning and ban if users consistently refuse to follow the policy.