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I'm glad that you're willing to make a banner. Several of the admins also like your idea (in fact, we had plans to make our own banner after seeing yours), but they've left some critique for you. You have to ensure that Brutaka is on the banner at all costs. Also, try to get him to include at least the high-quality pic MOCs listed here: http://custombionicle.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:Shadowmaster/Custom_BIONICLE_Wiki_Banner_Inputs

Otherwise, feel free to put whatever MOC you want into the banner (try to make sure they're somewhat iconic). My only personal say is that try not to make the banner seem too cluttered. Maybe keep it down to around 10 - 14 MOCs at most, but Brutaka is a priority. Administrator also says that if you plan to slightly upgrade the logo, he wants the logo to be updated so it doesn't have the peach fuzz (not sure what that is). Other then that, he feels it should remain generally the same.

Also, bear in mind that once you've finished the banner, a preview of the finished product shall be brought forth, allowing the staff members to discuss whether the banner looks fine and should be applied, or, in the event that it isn't satisfactory, be tweaked (or dropped entirely in the worst scenario). If everyone likes it, then the preview can be brought forth to the members of the Wiki in question to be voted for overall approval. If the majority likes it, it'll go on the Main Page.

Hope that helps. http://images.wikia.com/custombionicle/images/d/d4/VamprahSymbol.JPG  Welcome  to   the   Fezpedia!  http://images.wikia.com/custombionicle/images/5/55/PohatuSymbol.JPG 04:53, January 2, 2013 (UTC)

Voice Auditions
Now you said in my my blog post for the female matoran moc contest I should ask you for voices. I'm the guy you who invented the Matoran Mismisadventures so you should ask me! Anyway if you're interested in the series and would like to voice a character you should check out this blog post and post your auditions for the characters or character you would like to voice in a comment.

20:50, January 2, 2013 (UTC)

Ah okay, sorry for the misunderstanding then. Well could you give me a few people who are great in voice acting? And there email adresses of course.

Well anyway thanks for letting me know I misunderstood you.

21:54, January 2, 2013 (UTC)

CSW Revamp
Ok, I know you're busy with CBW graphics and Infernum and such, but I would really appreciate it if you could do some graphics work on the CSW. I'm not asking for a total revamp, but a new banner, wordmark, and background would be nice. And if you could do whatever you did with the CHFW's navigation as well that would be great.

I understand if you're to busy to do this, but I would really appreciate it. Contact me on the CSW and we can discuss more exact details of what I would like.

Sincerly,

DeltaStriker

Um...CSW, not CBW. As in, the Custom Slizer Wiki. You must have misunderstood me.

DeltaStriker  18:57, January 5, 2013 (UTC)

K. I'll understand if you're to busy to do it.

DeltaStriker  19:15, January 5, 2013 (UTC)

Yes. Once the Brutaka Artwork Contest concludes and the staff team apply a few changes to the main page, your banner will be put on the main space. Just so you know, in accordance with some plans agreed upon by the Board of Trustees, some minor changes may need to be made to the banner. Nothing too major, just small changes. I'll keep you updated on those minor things, though for now, take this as an opportunity to have a break or focus on one of your other projects. :) http://images.wikia.com/custombionicle/images/d/d4/VamprahSymbol.JPG  Welcome  to   the   Fezpedia!  http://images.wikia.com/custombionicle/images/5/55/PohatuSymbol.JPG 08:36, January 10, 2013 (UTC)

Sure, I'd be happy to give it a mention in a blog post but I'm afraid that's as far as my authority really goes. I'll have a look at your blog for more details then I'll pitch the idea to Chicken Bond in our next mibbit conversation. :P

Sweet. :P Our mibbit chat has been delayed, unfortunately. I think he'll be free again at the weekend and I'll pitch the idea to him then. If it gets cancelled again then I'll just go on his talkpage and explain it to him there. :P

Also, I like that Tollubo reference on your blog. ;) Very tasteful indeed... I'll have to retaliate somehow. XD

Wow, your Self-MOC looks awesome! :D

Hey there!

My apologies for the late reply. I see no problem with your desire to make a YT channel for your wiki; if anything, I'm surprised you felt the need to consult me on a matter I have no say over. Go right on and make your own YT channel! :) http://images.wikia.com/custombionicle/images/d/d4/VamprahSymbol.JPG  Welcome  to   the   Fezpedia!  http://images.wikia.com/custombionicle/images/5/55/PohatuSymbol.JPG 13:00, December 29, 2013 (UTC)

Hey! While I don't mind that you added to the list, you are a little confused. There are actually 2 different ccgs being made. One, the one you and Abstainer are taking charge of is an actual game. The other (the one you added to) are just a bunch of unrelated (mostly) trading cards that I'm making for fun. I will be happy to add the ones you put on there though :P.

I want to compile a bunch into Wave 2, including yours :P.

I actually had the original idea, but I'm letting Omega take most of it over, what with a different CCG I'm making. I will help out from time to time, of course (just let me know when :P).

The photoshopping is epic though. :)

Yeah. Thank you. Stormjay Rider 17:20, April 6, 2014 (UTC)

I might. But I like to keep my stories written or stop-motion videos, which I intend to do myself. Until I want to, I'm not gonna make comic book stories on here.

BionicleChicken (talk) 05:21, May 9, 2014 (UTC)BionicleChicken

Ze order has been sent.

In 4-6 working days, I will have my ugly-ass speckled Vladek helmet and the war shall continue. ;)

Ohoho!

I need to buy a watermelon and a baseball bat...

This what you wanted?



Hey, happy belated birthday! (If that's your real birthday), I noticed it mostly cause that's my brothers birthday as well! ;)

Bumblebee5253 (talk) 03:33, June 13, 2014 (UTC)

No prob!

So I see you play Minecraft, what exactly is "Twinkiecraft"?

I play a lot, by the way ;).

Bumblebee5253 (talk) 03:48, June 13, 2014 (UTC)

Uh, I sadly do not know what that is.

Bumblebee5253 (talk) 04:10, June 13, 2014 (UTC)

I'm afraid that due to life being a convoluted mess of insanity, I'm going to have to withdraw from the RPG. So sorry for the inconvenience. ODST! (talk) 05:35, June 13, 2014 (UTC)

I'm going to have to withdraw from the RPG :(

Okay, I'll do it later today, 'cause I'm kinda busy right now.

14:57, June 13, 2014 (UTC)

Pffft
Damn right you should be sorry...

That's the worst photo resolution on any picture I've ever seen you take. ;)

(Also, wow, you didn't even buy a real white Miru off of bricklink for this when I went to the trouble of getting two different colors of Caine's mask? For shame! You need to get on my level or you're going to get Bobdo'd.)

Hey, just wanted to let you know I'm going to be gone for the week. I need to take care of my Grandmother as my Grandpa goes on a trip to Montana. So i'll be stuck there for an entire week...

So if you need me for the RPG, I won't be able to do it (they have no internet at thier house). So I thought i'd give you the heads-up!

banner
ok you can make the banner.

ok so i would like it to have a evil looking mask (krahhkan would be easyest i think) on it with the slogan "it wasnt over yet" on it somewhere and then the title war for spherus magna at the top with by ciaranhappy!

thats basicly what i origilaly pictured but it can looks a bit diferent it just needs to look like theres more then tumai n the bad guys in the story. ok

 the   happy has arrived 

02:51, July 19, 2014 (UTC)

award for such greatness
you get this award for submiting you banner and it becaming the primary banne rin the contest. and its great.



here it is

pop it on your awards section

 the   happy has arrived 

06:51, July 19, 2014 (UTC)

Hello, i am YJF, youngjusticeforever, and i REALLY REALLY REALLY like your MOCs, could we chat sometime? Just lemme know.

ummmmm
im not using your templates, im yousing yoyr templates as a giude on how to get a template to work...

By all means, go ahead :D

Elephant Tusk  17:50, September 9, 2014 (UTC)

Starting a few minutes i'm going to go around the wiki, and fix up some Element pages. Could you follow me up with adding your cool infoboxes to them all (seeing that you've already begun doing that)?

14:20, September 12, 2014 (UTC)

Black Box and Shotty.

about your idea of LDD
i used it, but toatusked seemed to think it made th e pages look bad and made the images disapier, so, any idea on how to fix that.

 the   happy has arrived  22:54, September 29, 2014 (UTC)

Important explanation!
I know Rise of the Toa Spherus isn't finished, but I only just started then the internet crashed. I will continue it but I can only access this wiki in the weekend, I may not be able to finish it in two weeks, is it possible for it not to be deleted or do I have to write the whole thing then publish it? MAZEKA (talk) 09:39, October 12, 2014 (UTC)MAZEKA

May I ask how your brightened up your images for the Nameless Team? I've been meaning to do that with my mocs images, but I don't know how to go about doing that...

16:03, October 20, 2014 (UTC)

Mod advice blog
Its MCGPY. I was wondering what you would think of the idea of using my blog to give moving advice?

MCGPY the duke of awsomeness (talk) 17:02, October 20, 2014 (UTC)MCGPY

Moc advice 2
Thanks Man! I'm gonna give this mic advice blog a shot!

MCs moc advice
Well, I made the first post for my moc advise, and I was wondering if you would like to take a look. Oh and thanks for telling vorred that I'm not a troll, but one question, what's a troll?

In Regards to Your "Private" Conversation with MCGPY
Ugh. "Shhh... don't tell anyone I'm here. :P"

I suppose, then, that you will be surprised to be informed that, no, MCGPY's wiki is not some private sphere that Custom BIONICLE wiki users are unable to access or read. Consequently, we are very well aware of what you've been saying to him behind our backs.

I don't really care about the irrational, long-standing feud that you've had with Bob. I don't know the reasons behind it, and I'm not interested in finding out. I can't say I approve of the fact that you're socializing with a user with a track record of misogyny, who has the gall to insult an admin and threaten to "send him to hell" with only the slightest bit of provocation (consider, for example, if he had reacted with something along the lines of "why was my page deleted" and attempted to cooperate with the staff rather than immediately hurling inappropriate and immature insults towards an administrator who he barely even knows), but I'm not going to do anything about it, considering that it's an interaction that has occurred off of wiki grounds and seems to have been made without malicious intent.

However, what I will not stand for is the fact that you are spreading personal information about one of our administrators. That, I would like to stop, regardless of where it occurs. I'll preemptively say that I'm uninterested in hearing the reasons behind why you spread that personal information. I don't care how that personal information was obtained. I just want the spreading of personal information to stop. It's unprofessional, immature, and most of all, it's nothing short of harassment. I won't have it. Make sure it stops. If I or any of our staff team happens to see the spreading of personal information, it will be made a matter that will be subject to staff interpretation and administrative action. I hope that these terms are understood.

 Shadow master    (Contribs)   19:51, October 21, 2014 (UTC)

So I was nosy and read your last comment.

I would like to remind you that the "appalling" treatment of new users wasn't out of any wish to bully or drive them away. It is because of gross violation of wiki policy.

MGCPY was given a lot of lenience, and he squandered it. He used other users images without their permission, complained when he was asked by their owners to remove them, and retaliated when admins told him to remove them. He also made derogatory and offensive comments. He then wrote an article that violated the wiki's content tolerance, and when it was removed, he sent a...quite vulgar response to the admin who deleted it (despite the fact that I was the rollback that marked it for deletion because of said policy violation).

We made efforts to keep MGCPY on the wiki, but he showed intolerance to rules and regulations. We usually give a user three strikes, and MGCPY made six. He was also only blocked for two weeks, and is free to come back when it expires.

I understand you were trying to comfort him, but bringing up another user's disability is not right no matter where you procured that information.

MCGPY was blocked due to a lack of obedience to the rules. Reason for disobedience doesn't matter. If a user refuses to obey wiki policy, then they will not be allowed on the wiki. Many of the recent users that were blocked were blocked because of that lack of obedience, often after being given multiple warnings. It is not appalling. It's standard procedure. Violation of policy results in punishment.

-- Echo 1:  High Resolution,   Poor Quality  22:55, October 21, 2014 (UTC)

Allow me to remind you of something: You are under administrative observation. Knowing that, the last thing I'd want to do if I were you is provide yet another example of [http://customherofactory.wikia.com/wiki/User_talk:BobTheDoctor27#I_am_leaving_a_talk_page_message_because_I_truly_feel_you_have_misunderstood_this_situation._I_have_whited_it_out_and_placed_on_CHFW_for_added_privacy. audaciously abrasive and passive-aggressive behavior] for us. In short, what I'm saying here is drop the attitude. If you really believe the notion that you're going to get away with aggressively back-talking an administrator, think again.

Fair enough, it's not "personal information". A mistake on my part that I'll ensure I will not make again. That does not in any way erase the fact that this is an act of harassment. It's clear to me now that said information was spread with malicious intent. The issue lies not with the fact that you have spread that information about Bob, but with the fact that you are intentionally using that information to discredit and defame him. Judging by your intense aggression towards him, I wouldn't be immensely surprised if you reached out to speak to MCGPY solely because you both shared a dislike of him. Of course, I'm not making a solid assumption, but, knowing you, it wouldn't seem like a completely irrational assessment, would it?

I'd like you to abandon all of your conceited preconceptions and allow this to set in: We want the harassment to stop. If it doesn't stop, then the staff will take up a more intensive discussion of what to do about your behavior, and at that point it goes from negotiation to administrative action. If you've cut off all communication with Bob, then I don't think it would hurt for you to stop talking about him, or particularly to stop using personal information about him to make him look, as you put it, "crazy".

So, you think the behavior of users is intimidating towards newer users. If that's so, then I'm curious as to why you thought that (assuming you at all care about this problem being resolved) this issue would be in any way remedied by you talking about it with a user who, if I may remind you, has a rather impressive record of misogynistic and intimidating behavior? And let's not forget that you insulted an administrator along the way.

In order to justify the other members' behavior towards MCGPY, let me remind you that the user of which we speak managed to garner an outrageous amount of offenses to his name in just 4 days, even prior to the profanity-riddled, threatening comment that prompted his banning. Let me list a few:


 * Essentially ridiculing other users' images (you may feel free to debate this one, but taking an image and captioning it with "again you f***" seems fairly offensive.
 * 5 (6, if you count his stunning "revision" to the apology blog) counts of spam blogs and 6 (don't take my word for it, there could be more) spam comments, a number of which were absolute nonsense and others of which were just blatant misogyny, which links to the next offense.
 * Heavy misogyny, including but not limited to multiple threats of violence towards them (joking or not, they were irrefutably offensive), one of which could even be construed, based upon the context, to be directed towards a user in particular (which makes this not only misogyny, but harassment of a user as well).
 * Heavy profanity, which he didn't even bother to censor in his "farewell address".

I'm not going to debate the purity or innocence of this user, nor will I debate his mental state, and notice that I am not making official assessments on either. I'm presenting the facts, and the facts are that this user was on thin ice at the time that CBW's users exhibited such a negative reaction to him. I don't say that that excuses some of the particular reactions that he received, but I do say that it does excuse the general negative reaction. Likewise with Ciaranhappy, another user who has received an admittedly large amount of backlash and criticism from CBW's userbase. It would seem almost like bullying until you consider that this same user has violated the Custom BIONICLE wiki's Manual of Style dozens of times, if not hundreds, as well as plagiarized other users' content numerous times. That's not even mentioning his numerous spam comments, among other things. And if you plan on claiming that the Manual of Style isn't a rulebook to be taken so seriously, I'll point out that your own wiki has adopted a similar set of rules under the very same name.

With all of that said, had you bothered to actually voice your concerns about the behavior of this wiki's users rather than surreptitiously discussed it with a user who has committed numerous violations to wiki policy and attempting to defame an administrator and the wiki as a whole along the way, I would have agreed with you. While, as I've stated, these users (and not just them in particular) have broken the rules many times, I wouldn't say that that excuses the extent of the condemning and harassing behavior that has been directed towards them. It discourages those users from improving and adhering to policy when they are constantly subjected to the criticisms and oppressive behaviors that some (not all) of the wiki's users have exhibited. I, myself, am guilty of such behavior, and, in spite of the initially underhanded, and later directly passive-aggressive manner in which you decided to voice your concerns, the rest of the staff and I will be taking them into serious consideration and acting upon that consideration in the near future.

With that said, don't get the impression that you are in any way off the hook. The CBW staff will be keeping in mind the numerous times in which you've displayed harassing behavior towards other users, Bob in particular, and this incident is just another example that only puts you on thinner ice. There will be no further occasions involving you harassing another user of CBW, regardless on what wiki it occurs on, if you intend to remain a member of this community.  Shadow master    (Contribs)   23:06, October 21, 2014 (UTC)

Hey, message me on the CBW Forums, please. &mdash; Bio Dub  23:43, October 21, 2014 (UTC)

I'm curious as to how I've at all been stubborn. I've made my point, I've laid down the rules, and the staff sides with me, and yet you refuse to even show any sign of compliance. I've told you what I expect from you. I don't care what you label your previous actions, and I don't care what you label this incident. The staff has, on a majority consensus, interpreted your actions as harassment and we've seen it a problem enough to warrant some form of warning towards. I want it to be very clear that there will not be any further harassment of Bob or any other user in any way, shape, or form. If you really don't think that this incident was harassment, then that's fine with me. Just agree not to harass Bob, and abide by your word, and that will be one problem resolved.

In particular, I want to address these paragraphs:

"And there lies your problem. It is absolutely not "justifiable", and neither is it an excuse to let your users off the hook for this. Ok, he violated the policies. Was it necessary to call him a troll and get bob to go "all admin-y", I believe is the term used in the forums, all over him? Wouldn't it suffice to simply say "You are not allowed to swear on this wiki. This is your final warning."? That seems negative enough of a reaction to me.

This is cyber-bullying, Shadowmaster. You are ignoring the fact that Cirianhappy and MCGPY, along with YJF all had mental disabilities. You expect them to immediately function at the same level as you and I. Take this situation out of the internet. MCGPY approaches you in a classroom, and asks what a certain word means. Will you tell him to go away, and go to the library to search for the word himself?

My wiki, huh? CHFW? We have a Manual of Style, sure. Absolutely. And we have our fair share of new users who need housebreaking. Then, tell me, why has something like this never happened there? Please. Stay on topic."

I never said that I'd be letting CBW's users off the hook for this, if you'll notice. I admitted that it was a problem, and yet you seem to have missed that portion of my message entirely. If that's the case, I suggest that you go over my message and read it a little more closely. Notice that I never did, at any point, name any specific incidents and try to justify them. All I tried to do was justify the general userbase reaction. You, on the other hand, are using a single incident and attempting to apply that incident to the entire wiki. Do I approve of MCGPY being called a troll? No, I do not, and note that I did not try to justify that anywhere. Do I approve of Ciaranhappy's name having been given negative connotations? No, I do not, and note, again, that I did not try to justify that anywhere. "General negative reaction". Note the user of the word "general". I am attempting to justify the actions of the wiki as a whole, not any particular statements that were made. The wiki's general reaction as a whole was that this user was sketchy. Considering that, in the course of 4 days, MCGPY had committed at least 10 acts that violated our wiki policy, and displayed consistent behavior that suggested some degree of prejudice against roughly half of the world's population, I'd say it would not be unreasonable to distrust that user. Again, I say "distrust". I do not say that it is reasonable to call him a "troll", or the "next Ciaranhappy", and I also do not say that it is reasonable for Ciaranhappy's name to have gained any of the connotations that it has gained. All I'm saying is that the general - note the word general - reaction of this wiki's users - a reaction that noted a distrust of the user (who, as I spell out plainly, had already violated policy several times) - is not an entirely unjust or unreasonable reaction.

You also seem to forget the fact that this user was not banned solely for "profanity". The offense for which he was banned (on top of the, I remind you, 10 or more offenses that he had already committed and been officially warned for 3 times) was not a harmless act of a user who simply did not understand that the wiki has a policy against the use of profanity (even though he had already known of that rule prior, so even that's not an excuse). It was a paragraph of offensive insults and downright threats. Yes, we did not say "You are not allowed to swear on this wiki. This is your final warning," to MCGPY, because such a warning does not in any way encompass the scope of MCGPY's message to Bob. No, I do not think that it would be in any way practical or rational for a user to be warned for "swearing" when the offense in question consisted of referring to Bob as a "fat-assed bully" and "greedy bastard", and threatening to "take a sledgehammer" to Bob's head and "send him to hell". Mind you, CL, that these are death threats, and I do not see why the staff should be limited only to warning this user for "swearing" when that user has threatened to kill an administrator solely for deleting a single page (and, as I've said before, consider that MCGPY could have taken any amount of alternatives to death threats that would have easily remedied his situation).

So, no, I do not think that the staff's reaction to the situation is at all irrational either. Now, you mentioned that I am "ignoring" the fact that the users in question, in addition to YJF, all have some kind of mental condition. You happen to be spot on on that point. I am deliberately ignoring the fact that these users have mental conditions, because this wiki's policy clearly states for me to do so. No mental (or physical) condition is an excuse for refusing to follow Custom BIONICLE wiki policy. This is an addition made to our policy some time ago, in order to prevent any user from breaking policy and then claiming to have some sort of "disability" to get away with it (fun fact: in the particular incident that prompted this addition to the policy, the offending user used eczema as an excuse to violate policy). No, it's not my job to consider the mental capabilities of a user when judging their violations of policy. To let a user off on an offense just because, say, the difference between right and wrong is not clearly established to them, would be to enable them to continue to make further violations to the policy. Creating negative consequences is a way to establish what is wrong. If a user who does not understand what is right and what is wrong, say, threatens an administrator with serious violence or death (I wonder where that's happened before?) and they're let off on that offense with little more than a warning (on top of any additional warnings that this user has received) would be essentially telling this user that it's perfectly fine to threaten an administrator with death at any point in the future, because that user did not receive consequences for threatening an administrator with death the very first time it occurred. If a user has a disability, then it must be established before them what is right to do on this wiki and what is wrong, hence the purpose of warnings and negative consequences. Hence the reason that, within those warnings, those users are invited to read the wiki's policy, and within those warnings, those users are specifically told what policies they are violating so that they may correct those errors in the future. Hence the reason that, when a user is banned for a first offense, they are never banned permanently. The purpose of a ban being instated is to establish to that user that they have done something wrong, and that they will receive consequences for it if ever they do something wrong again in the future. If whatever mental condition from which a user suffers is so profound that it prevents them from comprehending the wiki's rules even when those rules are clearly laid out before them again and again after repeated violations, then what is there to suggest that that user will ever be able to understand policy? What course of action, exactly, do you propose for us to undertake? Simply more leniency with enforcing wiki policy (and I'd say that, in most of these cases, particularly Ciaran's, in which 8 warnings were issued for, I repeat, dozens of violations, and yet he still has not been banned, we've actually been rather lenient regarding our policy being enforced), or just outright ignoring the actions of those users who are interpreted to suffer from some kind of mental condition? I'm not at all opposed to the former, but if what you propose is the latter, I think almost everyone would agree with me that the answer is a plain and flat-out "no".

And a few notes that I couldn't find a place for in the previous paragraph: What if a user simply lies about suffering from some kind of mental condition? What if said mental condition is made out to be far more pronounced than it actually is? This is the internet, CL, a place where people interact without ever having to show their faces to each other, and what that means is that a user can simply lie about something, and all of their fellow users would be none the wiser. Because the subject is so sketchy and debatable, I say that it is not the administrator's job to have to consider what mental conditions a user suffers from, considering the very real possibility that all of the things that administrator thinks they know about that user's mental condition could very easily be lies. And before you say that it's unfair for me to be assuming that users like MCGPY or Ciaran do not have some sort of mental condition, note that I have not at any point branded the alleged mental conditions from which they suffer as true or false. I speak only of the general breadth of the matter, not any users in particular.

As a little tidbit in regards to Ciaranhappy, who you've also cited as having suffered from a sort of mental condition: Yes, it is true that the particular conditions he claims to have could very well account for the fact that he makes numerous spelling errors, it is also not the job of other users to wade through his numerous errors and fix them. There's many solutions to his conundrum: He could take his time to ensure that each edit he makes is of acceptable quality, or at the very least, he could just use spellcheck. Mozilla Firefox and Google Chrome both automatically underline all misspelled words. He sees an underlined word? Boom, he fixes it, problem solved, and all done by his own hand. That's an automatic solution to his dozens of policy violations, a solution that could have been made in the course of minutes. Instead, he failed to do so, despite having been given numerous suggestions about how to improve his grammar. For that failure to follow policy despite having been warned, he was warned again. Do you see some sort of problem with that? Even in this situation, his mental conditions were taken into account and multiple solutions were provided. That's as much as we can do. The rest, like following policy, is in his hands. This is all not to mention the numerous counts of plagiarism that he committed, which could have been easily avoided after the very first time he was warned for it, after the definition of plagiarism was very clearly spelled out before him. What do you propose, then? If you're to criticize the course of action that we've taken in dealing with Ciaran, then what do you propose? I'm willing to listen to your opinion about him having been harassed, and may I remind you that I agree that the users' behavior towards him has been less than appropriate. However, I do not agree with you that the administrative course of actions for either Ciaran or MCGPY have been in any way unjust or inappropriate. Addressing your quip about my having told MCGPY to look up the definition of misogyny, I'd like to point out that your analogy is flawed. Telling someone to go to a library and look something up is far different from telling someone to look a word up when they're sitting in front of a computer. To deliberately withhold information from someone and force them to instead go out of their way to go to the library from their classroom would be pretty unreasonable, yes. To tell someone to look up the definition of a word when they are literally sitting at their computer is not. Looking up the definition of a word takes all of 10 seconds' worth of time and effort. If refusing to spare someone 10 seconds' worth of time and effort is a terrible thing and makes me a cyber-bully, then I shudder in anticipation of learning where actual injustices stand on your moral scale.

And as my final note before I move onto the big picture, I mentioned the Manuel of Style as a preemptive action in case you tried to say that it was a document not to be taken seriously, an assessment that I again preemptively tried to deter you from making by pointing out that your own wiki's Manual of Style is quite similar. I fail to see how this is in any way straying from the topic at hand, considering that I moved back on to the topic you brought up in literally the following sentence, as I'm about to do now.

So, you say that the general behavior of Custom BIONICLE wiki's members is discouraging to new users. You've given me two examples, MCGPY and Ciaranhappy. I've said what I needed to say about those users. General reaction? I say justified. A few comments in particular? Not justified, and I'll be taking measures to ensure that comments of a similar nature do not occur in the future. You also mentioned YJF, though I fail to see how he's been subject to any sort of such behavior. If you're saying his situation was handled inappropriately by the staff: Yes, he was warned for offenses and yes, he was eventually banned for ongoing offenses, and yes, according to him he does suffer from mental conditions. That said, a particular amount of leniency was demonstrated in the administrative handling of his situation. He was banned for his offenses, and then, upon seeing an improvement in his behavior on other wikis, his ban was shortened. This is an example of the positive/negative consequence system of which I've spoken. He was banned for failing to adhere the the Custom BIONICLE wiki rules, and he was unbanned because he showed significant improvement in his behavior and willingness to begin to adhere to the rules. All in all, I'd say it was a very appropriate and lenient handling of the situation. I bring this up solely because you mentioned YJF; I'm not saying that you were definitely accusing the staff of having inappropriately handling the situation.

So, that's two solid examples that I can think of. Both of those example users have committed numerous violations to the Custom BIONICLE wiki policy, which you've failed to address. Two examples are not in any way indicative of CBW's general behavior. Two new users have been subject to discouraging behavior, and you seem to have concluded that this means that, in general, CBW is discouraging towards new users. Where, then, are your other examples? [http://custombionicle.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:KABOOManga3/_hello! Where are all of the discouraging comments on this blog], created by a user who I feel I must point out is new to this wiki? And that's one example among many of CBW's users exhibiting a welcome demeanor towards new users. Note the similarities between the two (or three, if you're counting YJF) examples you've cited. What is in common between MCGPY and Ciaranhappy? Both have violated policy. Numerous times. Both were warned for those policy violations. Numerous times. What sets them apart from other new users? The same thing. I think that your assessment of the situation is flawed, CL, because you've failed to take into account that both of these users have violated policy, I stress, numerous times. There are many other users who have not violated policy, and yet I fail to see the abundance of discouraging comments directed towards them on their blogs. For the reasons I've listed in this paragraph, I'm concluding that you've made an absolutely overblown assessment of this situation. No, the general reaction (note that I said general again) is not "cyber-bullying". These are not actions taken over the internet with the purpose of deliberately hurting these users. This is an expressed discontent of the Custom BIONICLE wiki's userbase with the behavior of these two users, both of whom violated policy again and again. Does that apply to or justify every single little comment that was made regarding the users in question? No, it does not, as I have plainly stated before. As I said, the fact that Ciaranhappy's name has been given negative connotations is something that I will not stand for. No, I am not attempting to justify it. Yes, I will be taking action to see that it will not happen again. That's about all I can say about this, as I've repeated myself over and over again to hammer in the point. If my reasoning isn't clear and understandable to you at this point, I suppose it will never be.

With all of that said, I'm not trying to say that you are not allowed to make such claims about the Custom BIONICLE wiki's userbase. If you really think that this is a wiki of "cyber-bullies", you are free to make that assessment. But don't expect not to be challenged on that assessment, especially when you fail to attempt to provide some sort of solution to the perceived problem. If you noticed some kind of negative trend in user behavior towards newer users, and wanted to comment on that trend, there was not, and there still is not, anything stopping you from making your opinions on that trend known. Hell, if you have a problem with this wiki's policy you're free to try to start a movement to revise it. That's why the woefully underused Matoran Council Chamber forum exists. If you have a problem with the Custom BIONICLE wiki's policy on medical conditions (which, although you did not comment on it directly, I assume you'd have a problem with, judging by your comments) you could have, at any point, made a blog advocating some revision to it or a council chamber post, at which point the decision would be left to the community. Your failure to take your complaints up to the community and your choosing to instead discuss your complaints with a user on a private wiki is what has led me to suspect that your comments were made out of malicious intent or spite rather than genuine concern for the matter at hand. Even so, it's not too late for you to speak up about the issue. I'd much rather you do that than have you complaining about it to me in a contempt-riddled message that criticizes the integrity of the Custom BIONICLE wiki's userbase as a whole.

I think that, all in all, I've made my point very clear to you now, and I've already spent the whole of 2 hours typing out this message to you. I've already directed an unreasonable amount of time towards a person who, as you would put it, "I've never seen face-to-face, never talked to in real life". My point is made, and I've made it clear what the staff and I expect of you, and what will happen if any sort of harassment towards Bob or another user (again, I'm not interested in debating whether or not what happened today was clearly "harassment"; the staff has made up its mind on that) continues. I hope that you will take into serious consideration what I have said to you in this message. With all of that said, I bid you good day.  Shadow master    (Contribs)   06:15, October 22, 2014 (UTC)

It's "to each his own". And I'll be sure to note this deliberate provocation of an administrator for future reference.  Shadow master    (Contribs)   06:29, October 22, 2014 (UTC)

By the way, could I at least get some confirmation that you don't intend to harass Bob any more in the future? You know, considering that this is what this all links back to.  Shadow master    (Contribs)   06:32, October 22, 2014 (UTC)

You realize that those are private messages. I cannot read private messages. Hence my being "out-of-the-loop". But at least I have your word on it. Don't break on that word. I'll be discussing this incident with the other admins.  Shadow master    (Contribs)   06:39, October 22, 2014 (UTC)

I'd love it if you could be more civil about this, you know. You can't exactly complain about being shunned when your reaction to civilized discussion is "I'm done with you." You know what I mean?  Shadow master    (Contribs)   06:42, October 22, 2014 (UTC)

Actually, considering your blatant lack of respect towards me, I think I'm going to have to decline that request. Ask another admin. I hold no obligations to someone like you.  Shadow master    (Contribs)   18:47, October 22, 2014 (UTC)

Привет,

CL, I'm sorry to see that this little dispute between you and our administrative team has come to exist; it is extremely regrettable and unfortunate that differing views on how to handle new members has sparked a conflict. As I don't want any harm done by this, I want you to understand that MCGPY has indeed broken several Wiki Policies after repeated warnings to stop; and several references for him to adhere to the policy so that we could straighten things out.

I have seen all the messages sent between you, SM, MCGPY and Bob--most of which I personally disagree with. The response to trying to settle this conflict has made things worse, and I will not point fingers who made this a whole lot less appealing to deal with. I personally have contacted MCGPY about his behavior on the wiki, (in fact; his first 'offense') to which he had confirmed he would turn things down a notch and later thanked me for it. But I clearly see he continued to offend several users.

I don't believe any behavior like that is acceptable on the wiki, and if you would; please stay on the wiki so we can discuss this further and have a mutual understanding.

Thank you for your time, -- The worst writer on this wiki…  Ever…   Of all time…  19:24, October 22, 2014 (UTC)

Hey,

I know you have gotten a lecture from four or five different people, and it's not my place to get involved in this conversation.

You are being very childish CL. You are rage quitting CBW because SM dared to get on to you. If you honestly cared so much about how new users are treated, where were you when Ciaranhappy was around? There is absolutely no difference between him and MCGPY (All except MCGPY actually resorted to verbal harassment against one of our admins). I understand why your upset, and I agree that SM can sometimes make very irrelevant statements.

I assume he denied your request to have your pages deleted, because he thinks you will get over it soon (which I hope you do, because I was enjoying the Madness series).

One last thing.

You do not have to take it to this extent just because SM gets on to you. I'm almost positive that every user on this wiki (excluding the ones that started like a week ago, and weren't complete trolls as soon as they began) have been disciplined by SM at least once. In my case, SM told me just because I idolized one of Ids5621's pages doesn't make it not a stub (which I thought was strange, because every one of Jmans character pages seem to be stubs, and nobody has even put the stub tag on them). I think I got my point across there.

Anyway with that being said, think it over. Do you wanna be the guy that leaves the wiki with tears in his eyes, or the guy that leaves an old man.

P.S. I apologize for this messages lack of structure.

13:58, October 23, 2014 (UTC)

Hey there, comrade! I'm Nitroxylin/Signitor, I'm highly interested in your CCG project and thus I have some questions regarding it.

The main one is: where can I contact you more conveniently and regularly than on this wiki?

Helloo
Hi! I knowticed you have been making edits here. Does that mean you came back? And also, if it is'n't too much to ask, could you read the serial I'm writing here?

--The Duke Is AWSOME!!! (talk) 20:18, March 9, 2015 (UTC)It's me :P

Owch. What was the video?

--The Duke Is AWSOME!!! (talk) 13:49, March 10, 2015 (UTC)MCGPY

Thank you...

No telling how many people think i'm a rip off of you due to some of our similar interests. :D

T o a T u s k 16:46, March 10, 2015 (UTC)

I just watched your video. Very strait forward, I like it :^ --The Duke Is AWSOME!!! (talk) 22:57, March 10, 2015 (UTC)MCGPY

I saw that you were making a new card set for the CCG, and I was wondering if we could label these new sets released. Like, I see the first card you have listed is Irnakk, so we could call the next released card set "'Nightmare Shade". I just think it would be cool.

T o a T u s k 14:41, March 16, 2015 (UTC)

Ah. Yes Tumblr. I have been really busy these past couple of days. I will get on that now. T o a T u s k 14:40, March 17, 2015 (UTC)

Done! &mdash; Rando 07  18:18, March 17, 2015 (UTC)

XD. I didn't realize that. Probably keeping it :3.