Custom BIONICLE Wiki:Board Meeting/Archive B/Session 1

16:57	J97Auditore	Well, on the point of Rollback colors here 16:57	Varkanax	Yes? 16:57		*** TheOracle is now known as Shadowmaster 16:57	Fezmaster	On this note, we begin this discussion. 16:57	Jmanliciousness	Well, I say Rollbacks should have their own choice of colors in the Recent Activity and the Recent Changes. 16:57	Jmanliciousness	Just like the admins. 16:57	Varkanax	Funny, I was just going to mention that... 16:57	Jmanliciousness	Instead of being restricted. 16:58	Shadowmaster	I /was/ going to support rollback colors originally. 16:58	Varkanax	I was going to say that /all/ staff should have /one/ colour that they use. 16:58	J97Auditore	We have come here to decide if rollbacks should have a choice of their name colors in recent changes/recent activity or not. 16:58	Jmanliciousness	Also, nice job on getting it to be on there, V39. 16:58	Varkanax	Green or something. 16:58	Varkanax	Thanks. 16:58	Fezmaster	Right, one at a time please! 16:58	Varkanax	If you want another colour, you can style it on your own personal css. 16:58	Jmanliciousness	@SM: Was it because of your promotion you're against it? 16:58	Shadowmaster	Well, Varkanax, there was a community vote on it... 16:58	Varkanax	Okay. 16:58	Shadowmaster	No. 16:58	Fezmaster	We don't want this discussion to be cluttered! 16:59	Shadowmaster	It has nothing to do with my promotion. 16:59	Shadowmaster	I was promoted before I was against it. 16:59	Shadowmaster	I had been. 16:59	Varkanax	Okay. 16:59	J97Auditore	As CB said, one point at a time please 16:59	Varkanax	Okay, may I speak? 16:59	Shadowmaster	Yes. 16:59	Jmanliciousness	Yes. 16:59	J97Auditore	Go on. 17:00	Varkanax	All staff should have one colour. It is possible to style it personally through a css page otherwise. I know there was a vote on this, but I think it should be uniform. 17:00	Varkanax	Because it can be confusing otherwise. 17:00	Jmanliciousness	I don't see how it could be confusing. If you have a color in general, then it let's you now the person is staff. 17:01	Varkanax	And it's not meant for "fun" purposes, it's to show that the user is a member of a staff. 17:01	Varkanax	I suppose. 17:01	J97Auditore	I have to agree with Varkanax that it is not for frivolous purposes. 17:01	Shadowmaster	Yes. 17:01	J97Auditore	It is to designate a member of the staff 17:01	Shadowmaster	But it is kinda cluttered, now that I see it in action. 17:01	Varkanax	Thus, it should all be something like Blue,or green. 17:01	J97Auditore	Agreed. 17:01	Jmanliciousness	I don't see it cluttered. 17:01	Varkanax	I, personally, like green, as it stands out. 17:02	J97Auditore	Yes. 17:02	Shadowmaster	I did like the color coding we had originally. 17:02	Jmanliciousness	If you have a color at all, it signifies that you're a staff matter. 17:02	Shadowmaster	With all rollbacks one, all admins one, all b'crats one. 17:02	J97Auditore	Well yes. 17:02	Varkanax	And if you want otherwise, it's very easy to style your own personal colour through a personal css page. 17:02	Shadowmaster	Or maybe admins and b'crats with the same color. 17:02	Varkanax	Yes. 17:02	J97Auditore	But it does not signify what staff group you belong to. 17:02	Varkanax	Agreed with SM. 17:03	J97Auditore	Hmm, perhaps SM 17:03	Varkanax	Rollbacks black or blue, admins, blue or green. 17:03	Jmanliciousness	There shouldn't be a difference between the admins, B'crats, and rollbacks. As they should all be treated as equal staff members. 17:03	Shadowmaster	I say green for admins. 17:03	Varkanax	Agreed, 17:03	Shadowmaster	Black for rollbacks. 17:03	Varkanax	And if you want otherwise, style it through css. 17:03	Varkanax	Agreed with SM again. 17:03	Shadowmaster	Red for bots. 17:03	Varkanax	Agreed. 17:03	J97Auditore	Yes. 17:03	Varkanax	If I suddenly vanish, don't worry. 17:03	Shadowmaster	And if it's fine with you guys, I'm going to remove the inactive bots section. 17:03	Shadowmaster	Since that's pointless. 17:03	Varkanax	I'll be back as soon as I can. 17:04	J97Auditore	Yeah. 17:04	Varkanax	Fine with me. 17:04	Shadowmaster	I mean, if a bot edits, it's active once more. 17:04	Jmanliciousness	Right. 17:04	Varkanax	So, as soon as he have a consensus on this, I'll alter the css. 17:04	Shadowmaster	So color coding for inactive bots is basically pointless. 17:04	J97Auditore	Yep. 17:04	Fezmaster	Essentially, yes. 17:04	Varkanax	Do we agree that admins and b'crats should /both/ have the green colour. 17:04	Jmanliciousness	There shouldn't be a difference between the admins, B'crats, and rollbacks. As they should all be treated as equal staff members. 17:04	Varkanax	They are all equal staff members. 17:05	Varkanax	It's to show the difference in functions. 17:05	Jmanliciousness	They all should be /one/ color. 17:05	Shadowmaster	Aye for yes, nay or whatever for no. 17:05	Varkanax	A rollback as different abillities then a sysop. It's no use saying otherwise. 17:05	J97Auditore	To who's idea, SM? 17:05	Shadowmaster	Alright, hold. 17:05	Jmanliciousness	@V39: So? They are all still counted as staff members regardless. 17:05	Varkanax	@Jman: And if you'd like a different colour, change it via your personal css. 17:05	Varkanax	They /are/ equal. 17:06	Jmanliciousness	Then why should B'crats be raned higher then Admins? 17:06	Shadowmaster	We'll first start a vote for whether staff members should all have the same colors, or separated by r'backs and admins. 17:06	J97Auditore	It's to show the difference in their roles on the Wiki. 17:06	Jmanliciousness	*ranked* 17:06	Jmanliciousness	stupid K key. 17:06	Varkanax	I vote they should be separated. Aye. 17:06	Shadowmaster	Separated. 17:06	J97Auditore	Seperated, aye. 17:06	Jmanliciousness	Nay. 17:06	Shadowmaster	CB? Your word? 17:07	Varkanax	Fezmaster? 17:07	Jmanliciousness	Just because their roles are different, that doesn't mean they should be separate. 17:07	Shadowmaster	It's to differentiate. 17:08	Varkanax	Yes, but admins have different capabilities then rollbacks. B'crats are admins with one more button. Thus, the admins, b'crats or no, should all have one colour. 17:08	Jmanliciousness	But why do we need to differentiate if CBW's users are supposed to be treated equally? 17:08	Shadowmaster	If you look in the recent changes and need help from an admin, you'll want to know who to ask. 17:08	Varkanax	Agreed,. 17:08	Jmanliciousness	But why do we need to differentiate if CBW's users are supposed to be treated equally? 17:08	J97Auditore	Agreed with SM. 17:08	Varkanax	They /are/ treated equally. 17:08	Shadowmaster	Again, they are. 17:08	Shadowmaster	But as I said before. 17:08	Shadowmaster	If you look in the recent changes and need help from an admin, you'll want to know who to ask. 17:08	Varkanax	This color is meant for /help purposes/ not to differentiate between staff and non-staff. 17:09	Jmanliciousness	If you need help from an admin, go to the admin page. 17:09	Jmanliciousness	Simple. 17:09	Varkanax	We need CB's input. 17:09	Jmanliciousness	CB's typing. 17:09	Jmanliciousness	And now he stopped. 17:09	Fezmaster	I'm sorry? 17:09	Shadowmaster	CB. 17:09	Jmanliciousness	We need your imput. 17:09	Fezmaster	Yes? 17:09	Shadowmaster	We'll first start a vote for whether staff members should all have the same colors, or separated by r'backs and admins. 17:09	Varkanax	We need your vote. 17:09	Jmanliciousness	*input* 17:09	Jmanliciousness	ffs. 17:10	Jmanliciousness	I say same. 17:10	Fezmaster	My opinion seems fairly irrelevant at the moment, you've all seemed to be laying the facts down. 17:10	Jmanliciousness	The other three say separate. 17:10	Shadowmaster	Well, we'll need your vote anyway. 17:10		*** Varkanax quit (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client) 17:10	Shadowmaster	Separate, or same? 17:10	Fezmaster	Hmmm 17:10	Jmanliciousness	I say same. 17:10	Fezmaster	Give me a moment 17:11	Shadowmaster	Alright. 17:11	Fezmaster	I am reviewing the above conversation. 17:11	Jmanliciousness	Okay. 17:11	J97Auditore	Alright. 17:11		*** Varkanax joined #BoT 17:11	Varkanax	Here. 17:11	Varkanax	Sorry. 17:11	Varkanax	It's very busy tonight. 17:12	J97Auditore	Alright. 17:12	Jmanliciousness	It's fine.; 17:12	Varkanax	CB, what's your vote> 17:12	Shadowmaster	You didn't miss anything yet. 17:12	Varkanax	Okay. 17:12	Varkanax	Whatever CB votes, it's 3-1. 17:12	Varkanax	So the vote's in. 17:12	J97Auditore	Yes. 17:12		+++ Shadowmaster has given op to Varkanax 17:13	Varkanax	So, now that we've agreed that we need seperate admin and rollback colours, what should those colors be. 17:13	Jmanliciousness	So, CB was right, his vote doesn't matter. 17:13	Varkanax	I, for myself, say green for admins, black for rollbacks. 17:13	Shadowmaster	Hm.. 17:13	Jmanliciousness	Because either way, they're separate. 17:13	Shadowmaster	I still want to wait for CB's input. 17:13	J97Auditore	Same. 17:13	Shadowmaster	He could have something that could change our minds. 17:13	Jmanliciousness	Indeed. 17:13	J97Auditore	Yes. 17:14	Varkanax	Fezmaster? 17:14	Varkanax	Wesa needs you! 17:14	Shadowmaster	He's supposedly reviewing the above convo. 17:14	Jmanliciousness	He's reviewing the above conversation. 17:14	Varkanax	Then once all votes are in, I'll alter the common.css accordingly. 17:14	Fezmaster	Hold your horses! 17:14	Fezmaster	You're acting without getting my opinion! 17:15	Varkanax	Okay. 17:15	Shadowmaster	You replied a bit slow... 17:15	Jmanliciousness	State your opinion boi! 17:15	Varkanax	Please, voice you're opinion! 17:15	Shadowmaster	 20:13	Shadowmaster	I still want to wait for CB's input. 17:15	Shadowmaster	We'sa waitin'. 17:15	Varkanax	FEZMASTER! 17:15	Varkanax	XD 17:15	Jmanliciousness	He's typing! 17:15	Varkanax	I know. 17:15	Varkanax	Ninja'd 17:17	Varkanax	I cannot stand the suspense XD. 17:18	Varkanax	I have to go soon. 17:18	Jmanliciousness	Hurry up CB! 17:18	Varkanax	The Doctor Who season finale's on soon. 17:18	Fezmaster	I seem more in favour of differentiating the colour coding, as it distinguishes the functions of certain staff members. Colours represent that we are active staff members, but the varying colours determine their certain range of rights and abilities. It makes more sense. Any user could get confused trying to find a B'crat based on their colour coding 17:18	Fezmaster	And may instead ask a rollback by accident. 17:18	Jmanliciousness	But. 17:19	Varkanax	Agreed with Fezmaster. 17:19	Jmanliciousness	How would they know which color means which? 17:19	Fezmaster	So I feel more inclined towards multiple colours 17:19	Shadowmaster	Dammit! 17:19	Varkanax	I'll edit the admin page. 17:19	Shadowmaster	You replied too fast. 17:19	Shadowmaster	I was going to post this: 17:19	Varkanax	Okay. That carries the vote, I assume? 17:19	J97Auditore	Yes. 17:20	Jmanliciousness	Yes. 17:20	Shadowmaster	Alright. 17:20	Varkanax	I'm sorry I'm anxious to see Doctor Who XD 17:20	Fezmaster	That is less than simple. We just establish a section where it rules out the colours. 17:20	Fezmaster 17:20	Jmanliciousness	Also, do Rollbacks get colors still? Or do they get no colors at all?> 17:20	Fezmaster	I WANT TO SEE IT! 17:20	Varkanax	Rollbacks will have a colour. 17:20	Shadowmaster	Alright. So, on a vote of 4-1, the decision has been made. 17:21	Jmanliciousness	Yes. 17:21	Varkanax	For the colours themselves, I vote now green for admins of all access levels, and black for rollbacks. Red for bots. 17:21	Fezmaster	We still need the input of SA 17:21	Varkanax	SA? 17:21	Shadowmaster	SA...? 17:21	Varkanax	SubAqua? 17:21	Fezmaster	SubAqua 17:21	Jmanliciousness	SubAqua. 17:21	Varkanax	I know. 17:21	Shadowmaster	He's...not in the board. 17:21	Fezmaster	Isn't he on the BoT? 17:21	Varkanax	No. 17:21	Fezmaster	Whoops 17:21	Varkanax	He's not. 17:21	Fezmaster	My mistake 17:21	Varkanax	It's okay. 17:21	Shadowmaster	TDG is on the board, but we are allowed to hold board meetings when someone is absent. 17:22	Varkanax	For the colours themselves, I vote now green for admins of all access levels, and black for rollbacks. Red for bots. 17:22	Jmanliciousness	Right. 17:22	Shadowmaster	Aye to Varkanax. 17:22	Fezmaster	Agreed. 17:22	Jmanliciousness	Aye to V39. 17:22	J97Auditore	Aye. 17:22	Fezmaster	Who has been keeping record of this conversation? 17:22	Varkanax	That carries the vote, then. 17:22	Shadowmaster	Me. 17:22	Fezmaster	OK 17:22	Varkanax	I will immediately alter the css codes. 17:22	Varkanax	If that's okay with you all. 17:22	Jmanliciousness	I shall post the logs on CBW. 17:22	Varkanax	May I fix the css codes? 17:22	Varkanax	Now? 17:22	J97Auditore	SM is going to post logs 17:23	J97Auditore	And yes, Varkanax 17:23	Fezmaster	I need to update the CBW history section. It's worth noting the BoT has been reformed. 17:23	Jmanliciousness	Yes, do that. 17:23	Varkanax	Agreed. 17:23	Varkanax	Okay. Doing now... 17:23	Shadowmaster	Thanks for reminding me, CB. 17:23	Shadowmaster	I almost lost the beginning of the convo. 17:24	Fezmaster	Pleasure 17:24	Fezmaster	I now decree that this BoT discussion is officially closed until next appointed meeting.